. >> and the difficult environment of divided government, we stand ready to work with both parties. but we will not sugar coat or shy away from the disagreements that will inevidentbly arise. >> well, you might be putting the debt ceiling fight at the top of the list of those disagreements. we shall see. he suggested, it's a perfect opportunity to deal with issues left out of the deal on the fiscal cliff. the president of the u.s. chamber of commerce, tom d donohue. let me start with, many business leaders do not want to see the republicans use this as leverage. where are you on this? >> i believe that fundamentally, if the country does not deal with its debt, that debt that is driven by entitlements, 10,000 people a day retiring, if we don't do it, it will consume all of the nation's income. and we have to find a way to do a big deal. it's there. make it work. where we come on the issue of what should stimulate it, of course we know that sequestration and other issues will require us to work together, when you get down to defaulting on the debt, you have a very, very serious questi